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No problem! It is wise to make rules as cut and dried as possible. Limiting judgement calls helps play move along. As for measuring, I'll have to set up players 2 3/4" apart, helmet to helmet, and see how it looks. It is easier to measure at the top. And there's something for consistency as well.

Actually, I'm rethinking the measuring the distance between defender and QB for pressure. Rather than helmet to helmet, how about base-to-base, closest point. Make the distance one base length (4 620 yards). And the defender has to be headed toward the QB.

That would appear to work, but then you'd have two cords connected to the controller.

My sticks are based on 620 yards as noted above. Measuring stick is 40 yards long. Sort placement stick (up to 20 yards between QB and receiver) is 6 yards. Middle (20-40 yard pass) is 12 yards. Long (over 40 yard pass) is 18 yards. I'm thinking for a pressure situation, add 2 yards to short, 4 yards to middle, and 6 yards to long? Length of the stick to determine if defender is close enough to apply pressure would need to be like 6 or so yards, I'm thinking.

I asked because I find it easier to make passing sticks (traditional ones) by actually measuring the lengths on my boards rather than a ruler.

Terry--any idea how many 620-scale yards is added to the placement stick when there's pressure?

I agree--great customer support. 10&Long footballs were omitted from my last order. A quick chat on the website, and three days later I received them in the mail. Mistakes happen, and they were super quick and helpful to rectify it.

Interesting idea--I like it. We've always run the board after pass placement until the intended receiver either fully passes it or turns more than (about) 45* away from it to either side. Point being, the intended receiver is the player who "decides" that the pass falls incomplete. How ought one to figure out when the "throw away" pass placement falls incomplete?

What Chris said. When I played solitaire, I just let down and distance determine most plays, and tried to keep a fairly even balance of run and pass plays. Down and distance would also affect the defense set up, but most plays they were in a base D. During play, I would always just try to make both teams' offenses as productive as possible (well, except when my Packers played their division rivals of course!). I think the offensive emphasis for both teams made games pretty fair and fun.

We allow the QB three options when the coach stops the board for a pass attempt: 1. Using passing sticks, place the ball for an open receiver OR shovel pass to an open receiver within a white stick of QB 2. Tuck and run. Defense can pivot any unengaged men. 3. Throw ball away, but there must be at least one open receiver (usually there is). We don't use the pocket/tackle box rule, because we've all seen many many times in the NFL a qb throw from there towards a receiver but well over his head just to get rid of it. Also, the throw-away barely gets called during our games, like once every few games, so it's a non-issue.

Does not look like a Tudor product. Facemasks would date it to the 80s I would think. Seems like you'd put one on the "sample credit card," mail it in, and (if approved) they'd send you a real card with the helmet logo on it.

Well, the remote gets two batteries, correct? That's 3 vdc. Amperage can't be very much at all, but it will only draw what it will draw. For $15 on Amazon you'll find a universal Belker 3.0-12V ac-dc converter with all sorts of plug ends. That's 3 amps max I think. Another is Soulbay that supplies 1 amp max for like 13$.

That is freakin' great!

Same frame, different field?? Just a WAG.

Just like in real football, you run out of room when you get close to the endzone. We make the coach place the ball marker inbounds, so (like you) it can be tough in the endzone. Personally if I'm passing close to the goal line, I don't let the board run too long so the receiver is close enough to use a short stick. I made the passing sticks on the "classic" scale. Measuring stick is 40 #620 yards long, first 20 one red, second 20 white. Red stick is 6 yds, white 12 yds, and blue 18. You can see that only the red can fit in the depth of the endzone while perpendicular to the LOS.

Yes, I've been leaning toward making the coach call out the receiver's number when he turns off the switch to place the ball. No "shopping" lol. After all, it's much more like real football.

If anyone can think of a way to make stick passing quicker without making it more difficult (we currently get slightly low but realistic results), I'm all ears.

I also really like stick passing. Only reason we are considering using a die is purely for sake of time. Our 32-play games can last 3 hours!

Good video. Our rule set only allows the QB to be stacked (he also cannot be the lead blocker). So I couldn't implement your version of the I, so we usually use the offset I.

What would you say your completion percentage is using the dice method? I was going to propose using a regular 6-sided die: Within 15 yards, 1-4 complete, 5 inc, 6 INT 16-30 yards, 1-3 complete, 4-5 inc, 6 INT 31+ yards, 1-2 complete, 3-5 inc, 6 INT In order to intercept the ball, there would need to be an unengaged defender within a certain distance of the intended receiver (thinking 2, 4, or 6 base lengths?). It sure would speed up the game, but it seems a bit out of place or something. EF is best with the board turned on and the men running.

How big you thinking this pass target zone would be? It's an interesting idea. If the ball isn't there, you could use the "pressure" placement sticks. We are at kind of a crossroads when it comes to passing in our league. Everyone is happy with how we do it, except it can take FOREVER. We allow the coach to consider all eligible receivers, and one coach in particular is very anal about testing out all the possibilities. I'm thinking of making the coach call out a receiver's number as he stops the board and can only consider that player. I'd hate to have to use a stopwatch on each pass play. It's a beer league of buddies.

We just set the qb's TTC base to 90* so he spins in his spot while the board is running.

We use passing sticks, too. In some rule sets you just place the ball in front of the intended receiver, but in ours we allow the qb to throw the ball to any open spot, away from defenders, around the receiver; that is, the receiver can pivot to catch the ball. He can then pivot after the reception as well. That said, we just line them up and hope they get open. Tricky part with passing sticks is you need space to complete the pass--space on the field inbounds and space away from defenders (defense is allowed to pivot one unengaged defender for the pass attempt).

I haven't tried to tweak many bases, and the attempts I have made resulted in failure. So instead of tweaking, I just go through trial after trial with lots and lots of bases to find the ones that "naturally" do what I want them to. When I find a few TTC bases that run how I want, I then pit them against each other to find the strongest of the strong to build my linemen. Wide receivers and TE, I look for a base that can "catch" a blue-stick (longest) pass with very minimal off-set aiming. For the running backs, I like to have them catch a white-stick (middle) pass with minimal aiming, but also have an arc to thier run, one curving one way and one the other. Takes looking through A LOT of bases to find these performers, but it seems worth it.

I think I’m going to ask Tudor if I could buy some length of the square tubing used for the legs so I can lift the board to clear the GBN motor. Then add threaded leveling feet.