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I have made out regular season schedules for people at times, just because it is something I like to do. The hardest are ones where not all divisions have the same number of teams. or when there are an odd number of teams.
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1 hour ago, zak99b5 said:Many a 60ish year old board out there now with a perfectly fine factory-riveted motor.
Yes, I have a lot of old game boards that i am just now getting to and to work on, fixing switches, banging out dents, removing rust and redoing the graphics on with vinyl adhesive backed field covers and framing graphics.
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Awesome!! All very good ideas. Thanks for sharing!!
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2 hours ago, BlueHen said:
Just out of curiosity, do you happen to know if Tudor is growing at this point? Or, is it too early to tell whether or not sales have increased (not that more sales necessarily quantifies as an overall improved product).
I do not know or have any information regarding sales figures. But I can fairly confidently say that they are in no danger of going out of business any time soon. What I have noticed is a shift in the products and services that they are now offering.
For over 50+ years (since 1967) Tudor's man source of sales was in offering pre-painted teams which required maintaining a large amount of inventory that may or may not sell and depended largely on accurately predicting which team was going to be most in demand in any given year and in what uniform combination that team was going to be wearing that season, and placing orders for those teams 4 to 6 months ahead of time. Doug Strohm's creation of the Uni-forms was supposed to be the solution to address this issue but that was not fully embraced by the majority of Tudor's customer base which were still demanding pre-painted teams in all the various new uniform combinations and alternate uniform combinations that NFL teams were introducing every year. That and the worldwide logistical shipping nightmare's that Covid-19 created, made it difficult for a lot of small businesses like Tudor Games to survive. I don't think that Tudor Games under Doug Strohm was ever really in any danger of going out of business, but it was becoming more difficult to offer products and services that were going to produce a minimally acceptable profit and with a quality that most of their customer base was demanding.
What Bryn Nutt acquired from Doug Strohm in his acquisition of Tudor Games was a large amount of inventory that was not selling and not of the quality that people had grown accustomed to getting from the brand that is Tudor Games as the one and only major brand of Electric Football Games and Electric Football Products to have survived for nearly 75 years.
What Bryan has been able to accomplish in the short time since his acquisition of the brand that is Tudor Games, is the ability to address the issue of providing the teams that his majority customer base is demanding with both NFL and Collegiate Licensing by offering a good quality custom painted team service (albeit not as fast as people are wanting in this "instant gratification" society that we now live in) and in partnering with ITZ Bases to satisfy the demand for better quality bases and custom tweaked bases that is so demanded by all participants of the game and hobby, whether it is in league and tournament play or solitaire play.
AND in bringing back the annual National Conventions and Tournaments that people have been wanting for a long time and not just catering to one particular group of highly competitive players of electric football but that is all inclusive of every area of the game such as the solitaire player, the collector, the artist and the general hobby enthusiast.
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That is Way Cool!! Thanks for the pics and sharing. Plenty of people here to help and give you advice!!
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Very Cool!! Nice Pic!!
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12 hours ago, BlueHen said:
The man the myth the legend, Mr. Nutt called me today to inform me the CL-2 bases he's been working on are ready.
That's Awesome!! I believe Bryan is finally getting caught up from his initial takeover of Tudor Games and the Christmas Holiday Shopping Season Rush. I have noticed that he is getting more active again on Facebook and with providing good Customer Service to the patrons and supporters of Tudor Games.
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Makes perfectly good sence. I like it!!
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I know most of you guys on here aren't on Facebook. But if you are The National Electric Football Game Museum has partnered with Tudor Games to rename "The Electric Football Community" - "The Tudor Games Electric Football World"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2274095646253222/
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I would have to check my records, but I did have one high scoring game where the 1966 - 67 Cowboys beat somebody with a high score in the sixties. Don't remember who the opponent was. What I do remember most was that it was a very long game because then I was using a play count method of timing and not including Kickoff and returns, or extra point attempts in the play count.
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16 hours ago, BlueHen said:
👍Thank goodness. I thought I had posted something inappropriate and gotten banned, LOL.
No Guys!! LOL I was getting the same error message y'all were getting. I know I didn't ban anybody. But a word of warning "DONT PISS OFF THE MODERATOR!! i.e. ME" Just kidding!! I will issue you a warning before anybody gets banned.
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Yes, noisy game board is more than likely a loose motor or just on a hardtop surface and needs a towel or some other type of padding underneath it.
I used to use brake fluid, back in the day, to strip paint but then a lot of people now, say use LA Awesome from the Dollar Store. Personally, I do not strip paint any longer, I just spray paint over them with white primer. Kyron or Rustoleum.
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I did contact Bryan Nutt and make him aware of it and he it got fixed, but he was not aware of it until I brought it to his attention.
Thanks to Billy O'Connell for making me aware of it.
It may have just been down for general maintenance but at any rate it got fixed, thankfully.
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34 minutes ago, Coach Shawn said:
Awesome. It is great to see young people getting excited about Electric Football.
I wish I could get my sons to play. But no luck there.
Yeah, tried to get my 3 Grandson's interested a while back. Bought them one of the small portable games Miggle sold, but they don't live close and haven't even been able to see them in 5 years. So, I doubt very seriously they even play the game or even still have the game anymore.
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Very Cool.
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Yeah, the cumulative weight distribution.
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Very Nice!!
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Yes, a very interesting part of NFL and professional football history.
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I usually just have the TV on and playing in the background, usually on the History Channel, about the only thing i watch on TV anymore. American Pickers is my Favorite. I love that they are bringing a lot more focus and attention on the Nashville, TN and Middle Tennessee areas with their store in Nashville and their Colombia Motor Alley facility in Columbia, TN and the fact that Mike Wolfe has a home in Leiper's Fork, TN. All within a 15-to-45-minute drive from where I live, the home of the Museum and the area of the state that I grew up in and am most familiar with.
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11 minutes ago, BlueHen said:
BTW, do you happen to know where the idea of 4 grams is the heaviest weight limit for tournaments comes from? Just curious if it was made at a point in time when bases were made differently, and now that things have changed slightly, so should the rulesets?
Yes. It started probably 20 - 25 years ago as the popularity of the Miggle Toys / Tudor Games Conventions and tournaments grew, and more and more local league and regional tournaments were beginning to gain popularity. It also corresponds with the time that more small companies such as Buzzball, FootballFigure. net, and ITZ bases were beginning to produce electric football teams, figures, bases and custom game boards in competition with Miggle /Tudor for the electric football game market.
The main reason for the added weights was because coaches were beginning to increase the board speeds, custom posed figures were becoming unbalanced, and added details such as muscle tone sculpted with "Green Stuff' epoxy resin sculpting putty were being added to the figures, more coats of paint on the figures, and details such as name and number decals, Facemasks, glove and shoe decals, towels, neck roles, long hair and dreadlocks, etc., etc..., were being added to figures increasing the weight of the figures. This added weight to the figures and the increased board speeds lead to the need to add weight to the bases just to keep the figures from falling down all the time and making it more difficult to run and complete plays.
Of course, with anything like this where people start taking it to the extremes, standards have to start being set. At first the added weight was 3.2 grams maximum but had to be increased to 4.0 grams for people to eventually accept that as the standard weight limit. Many people are now challenging that limit to where the standard will probably have to be raised again to either 4.5 grams or 5.0 grams.
The only reason I know all this is because it was 25 years ago that I rediscovered the game and hobby, was exposed to a lot of it by traveling to different areas of the country participating in leagues and tournament and experiencing it firsthand.
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The switch problem is a very common issue and easy to fix by just replacing the switch. Same thing happened to me when I was 13 or 14 years old. I won't go into specifics, but I learned a very valuable lesson about dealing with things electric that made me realize I probably should not choose electrician as my career goal.
I have learned now in dealing with vintage electric football games that the most common issue with the switches is that the "W" connector inside the switch simply wears out and gets broken, the wires get broken loose from the connection that they are soldered to, or the inside of the switch just needs a good cleaning. Sometimes it is just that the wiring that attaches the cord to the motor gets broken.
Of course, now it is much easier to just get a Tudor Games Field motion Generator or aftermarket vibration generator or even a whole new electro-magnetic motor with the electrical cord and switch already attached. AND you can also just take the motor off an old beat-up game and replace the motor on a better condition vintage game.
Right now, I have 40-50 vintage game boards that I am working on in various stages of condition issues and repair issues that need to be corrected as well as ones that simply need the graphics restored or redone completely.
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I don't know if Bryan and Tudor Games will, but I am working on an outline for that very thing. An "OPEN" tournament.
It is not a new concept and has been done before. The "Bama Blast" in it's early stages was an "open" tournament. The was once an "Eric and Dave's Open" Electric Football Tournament.
Even as we speak I am working on a museum sponsored NEFGM "Open" ELECTRIC FOOTBALL Tournament.
There have at times been tournaments that have been setup with a 3.2 grams or less division and a 4.0 gram maximum division. I think these were Buzzball and MFCA sponsored tournaments.
There have at times been discussions of Beginner" and "Advanced" Players/ Coaches Divisions Tournaments
When you start going beyond more than 2 divisions Yes, you start getting into that area of dividing the game up into too many sustainable divisions.
As an example. I ran the Solitaire Coaches Points Challenge competition which had 4 divisions. "Box/Stock" "3.2", 4.0" and "Unlimited".
Box/Stock and 3.2 were the most popular with the greater number of participants. 4.0 only had a few participants and Unlimited had only one participant.
You can find out all about that competition by reading the "Solitaire Illustrated" and "SCPC Gameday" publications, avaiable with downloads in the NEFGM Library section of the nefgm.org website.
The SCPC was the one and only competition, to date, to ever crown a "Solitaire ELECTRIC FOOTBALL National Champion". It had a good 5-year run until intetest in it finally faded out.
The biggest issue in electric football and in sponsoring any kind of tournament is having a good "Universal" ruleset that will be accepted by everyone in the game and hobby. BELIEVE ME. I HAVE TRIED. It is impossible.
I mean just look at all the hundreds of different ways and variatiobs that solitaire coaches have come up with to play the game.
When setting up a tournament, league or any competion, you will never please everybody. Either the dates don't fit individual schedules, or the location is too far away, or the rules and style of play "isn't the way I want to play".
The best you can hope for is to be able to set up an event that will generate enough interest and draw enough people to, to make it successful and hopefully be able to make it sustainable for several more years to come.
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16 minutes ago, Coach Shawn said:
Yes you should paint more! Your painted teams always look great!
Shawn. Got to get recovered from Cataract Surgery first, A 4–6-week process that is just beginning. I have plans to do a lot of stuff after that!! LOL.
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Awesome Shawn!! I remember that team!! Love the additions.
I should paint more. I love painting that team and the original AFL Denver Broncos Gold and Brown w/ the vertical striped socks.
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Noisey 630 board and striping painted figures
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Yeah, didn't take before pics, wish I had. I have a couple of others that I did though and will post pics later sometime. sometime.