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  1. 1. How do you measure a players strength?

    • Head-to-head pushing contest. The stronger player will push the weaker player backwards.
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    • A weight pushing contest. The player who pushes the most weight is the strongest.
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    • Neither of the above. I created my own metric.
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Which of my Offensive Linemen / Defensive Linemen could be a #1 draft choice?

Strength is important and the determination of strength is sometimes subjective. I have three methods for getting the little plastic peeps true strength.

1st.  I glued two metal dice together and their combined weight is 33.56 grams. I measure if a lineman can push 6 times his body weight for three yards. Timing this exercise can be informative also.

2nd. I place two players head-to-head and see which one can push the other around. I put less emphasis on this method because a base with a high coefficient of friction may be difficult to push backwards but doesn't push forward very well.

This video illustrates both.

 

3rd is statistical. On Defense I look at the number of tackles / tackles for lost yards / QB sacks over three games. On Offense I look at the positive yards gained — over three games — through the B-gap, C-gap, D-gap, and E-gap. B-gaps and E-gaps usually reflect strong tackles. C-gap and D-gap usually indicate a strong Center / Guard relationship.

Enjoy the Drafting Journey.   T43.   🏈♾️

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I held weight pushing trials for four players today. I also ran these strong men through the forty-yard dash.

 

If the Draft was today Meteor Tackle #74 would be First Round, third or fourth overall pick.

Meteor Tackle/ Defensive End #74   At 5.25 grams he is the lightest weight player. Is the fastest in the forty-yard dash. Second in head-to-head competition.

Angels of Avalon Defensive End / Tight End #99   At 5.35 grams he should be stronger. Middle of the pack in the forty-yard dash. Last in head-to-head competition.

Baja Blast Meteor Tackle/ Defensive End #77 Tudor Big Man. Weighs 5.53 grams. Slogs through the forty-yard dash. Third in head-to-head competition.

Dragons Defensive End / Tight End #98   Weighs 5.26 grams. Had trouble pushing 33.5 grams. Took three attempts to get the dice three yards. Won the head-to-head competition. Downside is erratic behavior. He didn't finish the 40-yard dash on most occasions because he went out of bounds after about 20 yards.

 

 

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On 5/19/2024 at 10:04 PM, Terry43 said:

Which of my Offensive Linemen / Defensive Linemen could be a #1 draft choice?

Strength is important and the determination of strength is sometimes subjective. I have three methods for getting the little plastic peeps true strength.

1st.  I glued two metal dice together and their combined weight is 33.56 grams. I measure if a lineman can push 6 times his body weight for three yards. Timing this exercise can be informative also.

2nd. I place two players head-to-head and see which one can push the other around. I put less emphasis on this method because a base with a high coefficient of friction may be difficult to push backwards but doesn't push forward very well.

This video illustrates both.

 

3rd is statistical. On Defense I look at the number of tackles / tackles for lost yards / QB sacks over three games. On Offense I look at the positive yards gained — over three games — through the B-gap, C-gap, D-gap, and E-gap. B-gaps and E-gaps usually reflect strong tackles. C-gap and D-gap usually indicate a strong Center / Guard relationship.

Enjoy the Drafting Journey.   T43.   🏈♾️

OK Coach, I have a couple of questions for you....

 

Firstly, how important is it that lineman bases be able to travel in a straight line 50 yds. down the field? I mean, from a practical standpoint, blocking usually takes place within 10 yds, and often times before that. I'm asking because my bases don't seem to be tweaked to be able to travel very far, LOL

And secondly, would you say it's impossible to add too much weight to lineman bases? Ideally, I want my lineman bases to be slower than the LB's, TE's and skilled position player/bases, but they should be stronger. So, I've gotten "power bases" from ITZ (wider prongs), and made the weight around 7 oz. whereas the skilled position player/bases are about 5 grams and tweaked for speed. Should I try 9 oz. in your opinion? What'cha think?

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8 hours ago, BlueHen said:

lineman bases be able to travel in a straight line 50 yds. down the field?

1. Think of a dial like a steering wheel. The default should be straight and if I want the player to turn left I turn the dial left. Right turn, I turn the dial right. 

    A. However, if an offensive lineman turns too sharply then it's like a Mad Max movie with one whirling dervish taking out other linemen or not blocking at all.

    B. Furthermore, once the offensive lineman has turned 35 degrees then a straight rushing defensive lineman can use the offensive lineman's momentum against him.

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    C. My linemen play on offense and defense. So A & B also apply to defensive linemen.

9 hours ago, BlueHen said:

Ideally, I want my lineman bases to be slower than the LB's, TE's and skilled position player/bases

I'm trying to picture a situation where lineman should be slow. 🤔 None come to mind.

9 hours ago, BlueHen said:

I've gotten "power bases" from ITZ (wider prongs)

The wider prongs have increased surface area which results in a high coefficient of friction. That's why they are slow. 'Power bases' are difficult to push backwards because the broad prongs have increased drag.

When it comes to increasing weight keep this formula in mind: Speed x Weight = Momentum. "A large, fast-moving object has greater momentum than a smaller, slower object." Which will hurt more? A bowling ball moving 5 mph or a hard ball moving 5 mph?

If you increase the little plastic peep's weight to 9 grams and the plastic peep's speed remains the same, then it will hit harder.

However, if you increase the plastic peep's weight to 9 grams and you increase friction so that speed is reduced, then your little plastic peep will not hit harder.

I'm not sure that made sense to anyone but me. 

9 hours ago, BlueHen said:

Should I try 9 oz. in your opinion?

Try it! 😃👍 Set up your experiment. Measure your results over time.

Most importantly, does answering the whole weight question improve your enjoyment of the game?

It does for me. 😃👍 Maybe it will for you.

Enjoy the Journey.    T43.    🏈♾️

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A final thought, Coach BlueHen.

I looked at all the 60 year-old bases on eBay and I wondered, Is there any way for those old bases to be competitive with the bases du jour.  That became my goal.

I started experimenting with adding weight as a way to level the playing field for Tudor bases old and new. I wanted the 1967 Aqua Single-Clip bases, and the 1971 red-prong bases, and the 1949 metal bases, and the 1990 Butterscotch bases, and the Modern-era Convention bases, and the post-modern Proline bases, and the ITZ bases to all be competitive on the same field against each other. I've written posts on all of these successful experiments.

For me the mixture of electric football history, and electric football physics, and electric football strategy is like a perpetual cocktail of Serotonin, Adrenalin and Dopamine: They just wake me right up in the morning and make every day a great day to be alive. 🤩👍

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14 hours ago, Terry43 said:

1. Think of a dial like a steering wheel. The default should be straight and if I want the player to turn left I turn the dial left. Right turn, I turn the dial right. 

    A. However, if an offensive lineman turns too sharply then it's like a Mad Max movie with one whirling dervish taking out other linemen or not blocking at all.

    B. Furthermore, once the offensive lineman has turned 35 degrees then a straight rushing defensive lineman can use the offensive lineman's momentum against him.

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    C. My linemen play on offense and defense. So A & B also apply to defensive linemen.

 

 

Excellent point coach. I'll call it: "The 35 degree rule". Which is not unlike real life in that a person needs to "square up" to his opponent to maximize strength lest he be thrown aside like yesterdays newspaper (I like to keep mine for starting bonfires sometimes 🔥)

 

 

14 hours ago, Terry43 said:

 

 

I'm trying to picture a situation where lineman should be slow. 🤔 None come to mind.

The wider prongs have increased surface area which results in a high coefficient of friction. That's why they are slow. 'Power bases' are difficult to push backwards because the broad prongs have increased drag.

When it comes to increasing weight keep this formula in mind: Speed x Weight = Momentum. "A large, fast-moving object has greater momentum than a smaller, slower object." Which will hurt more? A bowling ball moving 5 mph or a hard ball moving 5 mph?

If you increase the little plastic peep's weight to 9 grams and the plastic peep's speed remains the same, then it will hit harder.

However, if you increase the plastic peep's weight to 9 grams and you increase friction so that speed is reduced, then your little plastic peep will not hit harder.

I'm not sure that made sense to anyone but me. 

Try it! 😃👍 Set up your experiment. Measure your results over time.

Most importantly, does answering the whole weight question improve your enjoyment of the game?

It does for me. 😃👍 Maybe it will for you.

Enjoy the Journey.    T43.    🏈♾️

No, it makes perfect sense, but I think it's me who didn't make sense, LOL.

 

What I mean is, I have 3 different types of bases. The power bases are obviously sufficient for the lineman. But for the skilled positions (i.e. Defensive backs, WR's, RB's, etc.) I have CL-2's. Therefore, I need to skilled position bases to be faster, but not as powerful in order to imitate reality. My 3rd type of base is literally designed (at least theoretically) to be faster than the power bases, but not quite as strong, but slower than the CL-2's, but slightly more powerful. So, it's not that I want "slow" power bases per se, but if they're moving down the field as quick or quicker than the other two, it presents a problem. 

So, the trick will be to find what weight works best for each. Initially, I've made the power bases heavier of course, but in the long run, I may discover the CL-2's need to be heavier, because as a fellow coach used to say (I think his name is coach Terry 😉), the bases seem to perform better with more weight. I'm going to try experimenting with heavier CL-2's, because I'm not impressed with their speed so far...

5 hours ago, Terry43 said:

 

For me the mixture of electric football history, and electric football physics, and electric football strategy is like a perpetual cocktail of Serotonin, Adrenalin and Dopamine: They just wake me right up in the morning and make every day a great day to be alive. 🤩👍

Enjoy the Journey.  T43.  🏈♾️

I've had a sip of that cocktail, and I have to admit it's pretty darn tasty... 😋

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52 minutes ago, BlueHen said:

if (offensive linemen) are moving down the field as quick or quicker than the other two, it presents a problem. 

On 5/26/2024 at 12:34 PM, BlueHen said:

Firstly, how important is it that lineman bases be able to travel in a straight line 50 yds. down the field? I mean, from a practical standpoint, blocking usually takes place within 10 yds, and often times before that

Well Coach Bluehen, tt seems we've circled back to your original question.

I don't have an 'Ineligible Receiver Downfield' penalty, or an "Illegal Block in the Back" penalty, or any penalties at all, so offensive linemen 50 yards downfield, or offensive linemen outrunning receivers, aren't a problem. It's flat out fast — every player — on every play. 🏇

Good luck  🍀  working out your various speed considerations.

Enjoy the Journey.   T43.    🏈♾️

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On 5/26/2024 at 10:30 PM, Terry43 said:

. Think of a dial like a steering wheel. The default should be straight and if I want the player to turn left I turn the dial left. Right turn, I turn the dial right. 

Do you prefer to use dial bases on your linemen?  
I mostly use normal bases but do have some dials on some linemen.

with dial bases I find that I never actually change the dial setting during a game anyway.

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28 minutes ago, Coach Shawn said:

Do you prefer to use dial bases on your linemen?

Hi Coach Shawn. I do prefer dial bases for linemen.

When the linemen are on defense I set the dials for straight. In their lanes and straight up field.

On offense I usually set up a double-team with the guard and center. So the center must block left and right with equal alacrity. In my current tournament I'm using only Tudor single clip bases so I must have two centers (one who turns right and another who turns left).

Influence blocking requires all the offensive linemen to block in the same direction. In the 2006 National Championship game between the Texas Longhorns and the USC Trojans the Longhorns used influence blocking a lot. On the game winning drive Vince Young just stands there and watches the Longhorn offensive linemen take USC in one direction and then Vince Young ran in the opposite direction.

I usually pull both tight ends to block the edge rushers, set all the offensive line to block toward the weak side, and then let: A. the tailback run into the gap, or B. the QB run into the gap. The gap should open between the strong side tackle and where the strong side tight end was before he pulled out. This is my version of the misdirection play.

I noticed Coach Carl of the AEFL uses normal bases exclusively.

Enjoy the Journey.   T43.    🏈♾️

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