Paul Kian

Thanks! Once I get the rule book finalized I'd be happy to send you a printed copy for your museum. Who knows, maybe it'll take off. 😁

Here's the Picture versions, the PDFs seem to not be opening for whatever reason. 🤔

Good Morning EF fans! After over a year of development, I have finally gotten some sharable progress to show for my Seven Man Arena-Style Solitaire League, tentatively named the Electric Sevens Indoor Football Association (ESIFA). I will go more into detail on rules and such in a different, more appropriate, thread, but for now I figured you all would like to see my prototype field covers. As of right now I still have to design appropriate End Zone Logos and add turf texture, but this is almost certainly the final forms the fields will look like for my two Leagues: The American League and the International League. For starters, both Leagues will play on 42x18 inch custom fields, which is a 200' x 85' (Fifty Yard) Indoor Field scaled to a 5/8 inch = 1 Yard Ratio. I chose this scale because Regular Tudor Figures average around 1.30 inches and 67 Big Men around 1.35 inches, thus using this scale makes Regular Figures around 6'2" and Big Men around 6'6". The math gets a bit ugly when you start using 3rds of inches and such, so I have rounded all measures to 3 decimal places and may have fudged a few numbers here and there for simplification, but it's about 99.9% to scale. The hash marks are 9 feet/3 yards apart, the same width as the field goal bar. This is only 1.875 real life inches at this scale, so kicks and formations can get a little tight....I debated on adding second set of "college" hash marks like in the AFL, but eventually settled on keeping it pinched like it is so that formations are more balanced and it keeps both teams honest instead of constantly overloading one side of the field. I also only put one horizontal hash mark in the middle of the arrayed 5 and 10 yard lines instead of the edges because of this crunch, to assist with finding the midpoint for ball placement. The first thing you will probably notice is that I have the Yard Numbers facing Parallel instead of Perpendicular to the Yard Lines and End Zones. This is because Offensive play will always move in one direction, (except on kickoffs) so I figured it'd be easier to see the yardages facing this way (not to mention that I will probably stand behind the Defensive End Zone area most of the time). The sideboards will have the traditional number orientation, with an equivalent number below them for reference when returning kicks and turnovers. This is also why the End Zones are unequal in size - if I'm kicking and passing in only one direction, then why would the Defense need a huge End Zone only for returning turnovers? Some Unique Field Quirks regarding each League: American League * Plays start on the Defensive End Zone Goal Line for Touchbacks, so there are hash marks on the Goal Line itself. Because of this, there are no Safeties until the Offense has a subsequent play that begins outside of the Goal Line or commits a penalty in the End Zone (except for a False Start or Delay of Game, which are Loss of Down penalties in this particular circumstance). Tackles and Sacks in the End Zone in this case only result in a Loss of Down and the Offense replays from the Goal Line. Once the Offense has had a follow up play outside of the Goal Line, they can never take another play from the Goal Line again for the remainder of the Drive, and any subsequent penalties that would put them inside the 49 Yard Line shall be Loss of Downs played from the 49 instead. * The Defensive End Zone is 6 2/3 yards long and the Offensive End Zone is 10 yards long. * The 2 Yard Line, Quarterfield (aka the 12.5 Yard Line), and Midfield (aka the 25 Yard Line) are specially demarcated with "Plus Signs" and extra hash marks, because those are where 1, 2, and 3 point PAT tries are taken, respectively (scrimmage plays only, no kicks). Quarterfield and Midfield are also used, along with the Goal Line, for tie breaker Field Goal Attempts in Overtime following 1 additional series of Offensive Drives. * The area between the Offensive End Zone and Quarterfield is Red, signifying the Red Zone (how original!). There are a few Defensive formation rules specific to this area. I also put the numbers for yards 1-4 and 6-9 as a cool touch. International League * Plays start on the 48 Yard Line for Touchbacks, so there is a "Plus Sign" marker and black hash marks there. Unlike the American League, Safeties are allowed at any point including End Zone penalties. Like the American League, any subsequent penalties that would put the offense inside the 49 Yard Line shall be Loss of Downs played from the 49 instead. * The Defensive End Zone is 4 2/3 yards long and the Offensive End Zone is 12 yards long. Field Goals therefore have a bit more length to them and passing touchdowns are a bit easier. Kickoffs also have more potential for Touchbacks. * The 2 yard line, 10 yard line, and Midfield (aka the 25 yard line) are specially demarcated with "plus signs" and extra hash marks, because those are where 1, 2, and 3 point PAT tries are taken, respectively (kicks only, no scrimmage plays). Overtime is decided by 3 additional Drives instead of a single Series of Drives and 3 sets of Kicks like the American League. * The area between the Offensive End Zone and 10 Yard Line is Red, otherwise identical rules and such to the American League Red Zone. Let me know what you think, or if you have any suggestions. Thanks! -PK Field_Cover_42_by_18_American (2).pdf Field_Cover_42_by_18_International (2).pdf

Sorry for the super long post, they always looks more concise when editing then they get way longer once they actually post....

This is a very interesting post to stumble upon today, for the sheer fact that I was debating on doing something similar with mine since I generally only buy pre-printed figures and maybe add some touches of paint here and there. I'm honestly not a huge NFL fan anymore, but I like the Arena Football League (RIP) and Indoor Football in General so I still play 7 and 8 man EF games based on those leagues. Last week I noticed that a lot of the teams that I have look similar to local High School Football teams, so perhaps I could introduce EF to some of my younger cousins and such. But I digress.... I can add a couple teams to the "Purple & White and/or Gold" aka Vikings category, for colleges at from both ends of my State: 1) Western Carolina University Catamounts (my alma matter, and yes I know they suck at Football 😋). 2) East Carolina University Pirates (actually decent some times, definitely good to have if you're playing Duke and NC State as they're kinda-sorta rivals or at least they used to be) I'll also add Appalachian State Mountaineers to the "Black and Yellow" aka Steelers/Iowa category. One of the better football schools here in North Carolina, and probably had the biggest upset victory in College Football against a big Michigan University, forgot which one but someone here will know. They were also Western Carolina's biggest rival until they got too good and moved to a better division during my Senior Year. 😆 Hope these help, and I second the Canadian Football recommendations. 👍

Oh yeah, I am definitely making sideboards- that's my favorite part. 😁 I'm going to make them out of some squared up wooden boards and a vinyl pleather type material in either green or blue. They're going to be permanently mounted to the board frame, and I think I'm going to try to route a small slot in the side to support the game board and make the end zone sides come off (along with the aforementioned rebound nets) so that I can slide it in. I still have some prototyping I need to finish up before I start ordering stuff but I already have some measurements and a field decal to be printed. Since I'm not going to be league accurate or anything, I don't have to worry about team decals or anything so I'm going to spend that money and attention on the board and fields. I'll make a whole new thread (and possibly join that group) once I start getting the stuff together. Plenty of pics shall be taken. 👍

Thanks for the info. I will look around on eBay later today and check out some of the older Footballs. My initial plan was to set up some canvas nets like in real life, but I'm kind of leaning towards setting up some Plexi and painting/decalling some netting on it (or just going with "naked" Plexi and without netting entirely, for camera purposes) so that it's a harder surface to bounce off of. Then I will be cutting out the actual goal areas and putting some actual slack netting there to catch made kicks (and errant passes, which I know will happen a lot with my terrible skills 😆). I'm still checking on materials prices, so that's the true factor in the end. I know it's not even remotely accurate to true life, but most likely I'll only be making one goal post/rebound net since I'll only ever be kicking/passing at one end zone at a time and there's no real point in swapping sides since there's no wind in an Arena, at least by my logic anyway. That, or I'll just make it detachable and only place it on the offensive scoring zone between plays. Also, those figs and boards look awesome! Thanks for sharing.

Also, forgot to ask, are there any other brand of EF Football that might bounce well besides 3&L and Saturn? I'm still new to a lot of this. 😆

Good morning fellow EF Coaches, Hope everyone's doing well. It has been ages since I've posted on here, my work has been a real time consumer though I'm very grateful to have it. Just had a quick question about which type of EF Football seems to be the bounciest. I'm setting up an Indoor football style field and want to build some plexiglass and/or net "rebound nets" at the end zones like the AFL used to have (RIP), and all I currently have are the Saturn type footballs. Do 3rd & Longs have more bounce, or is it about the same as Saturns? Thanks, -PK

Hi all, I first have to apologize, as unfortunately I am probably going to have to sit this season out. I'm still saving up extra money for a board but I probably won't have it in until February and I don't want to hold you guys up. January has been a rough month in my company, and I've had a lot of rainout days since the beginning of December (I work in construction). If anything changes I'll let you all know, but it looks like there are at least a few more coaches that are in since I first responded so that's good.

I caught a clip of it on YouTube. It was kind of an odd hybrid of the A11 and the classic Swinging Gate lol. I hope to see more, but successful this time. 😆

I've also been kicking around the idea, at least on the 3-4 Liquid, of giving ALL the Linebacker positions some sort of nickname, besides the typical Sam Mike Will Jack name schemes. Since the formation is meant to be flexible and makes a lot of pre-snap and on-the-fly adjustments, Strong and Weak side aren't quite as important as Left and Right side. What do you guys think about that?

Hahahaha that would be awesome. I also have some mini Cowboys and Indians from my childhood, so with a little finagling I could also have a "Chiefs" vs "Cowboys" game for an April Fool's joke this year. 😆

Good idea, line them up right at both A Gaps between the Guards and Center. You could also leave it like NEFGM has it and cheat up the MLB to within a yard or two of the back of the OLBs/PR/CL baseplates (I'm going to colloquially call them all "Edge Rushers" going forward 😆), especially if the MLB has a good balance of strength and speed in his base. Another aspect of this formation that I don't think I explicitly outlined before, is that it also allows you to throw out Nickel and Dime packages without having to actually set up a Nickel or Dime. You can start out like this, then in your pre snap adjustment start sliding LBs and a couple Edge Rushers into the seams for coverage.

Wow, that's a sweet looking board! Unfortunately I am going to be stuck with a stock 2' x 4' field for now - eventually I will try to make a monster though. 😁 I am making a 42" x 18" (5/8" per yard - this makes Regular figs 6'2" and Bigmen around 6'6") 50 yard field out of 24 gauge galvanized steel and some 2x4s. The last things I'm waiting on for that one are some motors and a field cover - I'm not sure if I should just drop the $80+ bucks on a Tudor 2 motor rig or try to wire my own with those motors that go in video game controllers. 🤔

PERFECT! That's exactly what I was trying to diagram. I hope to try these out and make some tweaks as I go. I'm getting a full sized board and at least two 11 man teams together after the holidays. The first Offense I test them out against will obviously be the A11. 😁

Sorry, I meant a base with a magnet underneath for stationary DBs, LBs, and QBs. Some coaches hate them, and some play with plastic fields so they're moot.

Let me know how they work out for you. The main thing is to make sure you swap around the OLBs, PRs, and CLs for Blitzes and Coverages respectfully. Otherwise it's basically a 4-3 or 3-4 with standing DEs, and no one will be confused at all. 😆

Next, the 3-4 Liquid:

First, the 4-3 Liquid:

Hi all, After many discussions of the A11 Offense in the past few weeks, I tasked myself with coming up with a couple of possible Defensive equivalent/counter formations. The main criteria is that the formations had to obfuscate who is actually Blitzing or Covering without having to make tons of major pre-snap motions and adjustments. I also decided to keep at least 1 true "Lineman", as while the New England 0-4-7 looked cool, I feel it was kind of cheating (not to mention overselling on the pass). However, I also think that these formations would be great for Electric Football (A11 or otherwise), since on the face of it there's little to no difference between figures and capabilities compared to the specialized capabilities of flesh-and-blood Linebackers, Safeties, Corners, and D-Linemen. Therefore, I present the "Liquid" series of Defenses- one for a 4-3 configured scheme, and another for a 3-4 configured scheme. The spacings are a bit exaggerated, but I may revise them later and put up an Offense for reference. Let me know what you think, if there's any suggestions or modifications you can think of, etc. -PK

Assuming I get my board in time, I'm game. I'm going to order one after I finish Christmas shopping. I have two quick questions: are Mag-bases allowed (obviously while keeping the figs under 4 grams) and should we include TTQB/Passing figures?

Awesome, I actually know how to use PowerPoint! 😆 How do you scale the yard lines and such?

Also, I'm planning to submit the designs to Tutor for a quote, so if Doug or anyone else knows what their preferences in file size, format, etc are I will be happy to oblige. 😁

Hi all, For those of you who have designed Custom Field Covers, what programs did you use? I'm currently trying to use Inkscape, but it's far from intuitive and I keep botching something or another each time. Before I pull more hair out, I'd like to see what else is out there. I know Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator is the gold standard, but I'm looking at all the free/cheap options before I bite the bullet and drop the cash for the Adobe Suite. I have a Windows 10 PC if that helps. Thanks! PK